By Cunning Minx, on August 25th, 2012
An interview with Anthony and Vanessa on the reality process behind Showtime’s Polyamory: Married and Dating
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1:00 News and host chat
- I’ll be giving Content Creation for the Online Activist at CatalystCon September 14-16 in Long Beach
3:00 Interview: Anthony and Vanessa from Polyamory: Married and Dating
35:00 Feedback: how do I convey jealousy to my partner without him off?
A writes in to ask for advice. Her new partner was previously monogamous, and when A has occasional bouts of jealousy and insecurity, the new partner will just end the new relationship to make it easier on A. “How can I go about asking for the care I need without scaring him off?”
- Edward: tell him you’re feeling jealous and explain it’s not a call to action
- Ken: communicate the feeling of insecurity and ask him to help you understand it
- Sarah: just say how you feel and reassure your partner that they don’t need to act
- Scott: African masks and a voodoo ritual (to scare your partner off)?
- Becky: admit feelings to yourself first and admit they aren’t rational; say “I don’t need you to change what you’re doing, but I just wanted you to know what is going on”
- Dave: preface with “I feel kinda dumb bringing this up, but…” and share your feelings
- Gigi: preface with “I realize this is really more about me and not about the situation… “ and share your feelings
- Andrew: be responsible for your feelings and express them so that it’s clear to your partner that you know you are responsible
- Lindsay: communicate root of your jealousy clearly and own your feelings
42:00 Thanks
Thanks to Joan for the donation this week!
43:00 Wrapup
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By Cunning Minx, on August 15th, 2012
How to manage a poly dating schedule without stepping on toes
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1:00 News and host chat
- LustyGuy cohosts
- I’ll be giving Content Creation for the Online Activist at CatalystCon September 14-16 in Long Beach
2:45 Topic: The schedule dance
Herbalwise calls in to ask best practices for coordinating schedules with a new partner while being considerate of the existing partner. If you can’t do a regular date night because of kids and whatnot, how do you grab time while remaining considerate of the life partner?
- Question: why can’t dates be scheduled?
- Question: why are you hesitating to speak to your life partner about dates and scheduling?
- LustyGuy points out the importance of time budgeting
- Minx recommends the three C’s of poly dating:
- Clarity – be clear about what you want, need and will accept
- Calendar – used shared calendars (Google is popular)
- Communication – communicate with all parties before, during and after dates as needs shift and change
- Recommendations from listeners via Facebook, Twitter and Google+ include:
- Shared Google calendars and unlimited texting plans
- Only have as many partners as you can handle and schedule time-wise
- Schedule some events long in advance and leave blocks of time open for serendipitous meetings with lovers
- Overlapping social circles, group dates and double dates
- Teuxdeux for tasks
33:00 Happy Poly Moment
DDom shares joy in discovering a close community via FetLife.
37:00 Wrapup
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By Cunning Minx, on August 9th, 2012
 Adding a third without making a third wheel
How do you open up a couple? Advice on how to welcome a third from a HBB
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1:00 News and host chat
- Congratulations to our Burning Man ticket winner!
- Thanks to M, Christopher, Eynstein, Wayne, Elijah, Marshall, Ioana, Devon, Jessica, Karl, Scott, Jason, Lee, Greg, Cornelius, Damita for their donation during the Burning Man fundraiser
5:00 Topic: From two to three
Advice to couples on opening up their relationship from a HBB: what to do and what not to do. Full blog post here.
- Instead of considering only protective measures, consider what you have to offer and how you can welcome a third and make him/her feel as loved as you are
- Try this exercise: how would you feel if you were welcoming a child into your relationship? Approach a new lover with that same sense of joy, sharing and hope.
- A few don’t’s: don’t allow veto power, ignore metamour communication, say there is no hierarchy if there is. Don’t have the point of the vee moderate communication.
27:15 Wrapup
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By Cunning Minx, on August 4th, 2012
There’s no one right way to do polyamory, but there are plenty of wrong ways – Miss Poly Manners
At OpenSF last month, a session on Negotiating Non-Monogamy gave me some food for thought on the perils of taking those first few steps into non-monogamy. The truth is that most couples who approach polyamory do so with the best of intentions. And yet, they often so diligently focus on the health of their own relationship that they can fail to consider the needs and health of the person that they intended to bring lovingly into their relationship. The result? Drama and pain for everyone involved!
A novel approach: the HBB speaks
Most books, articles and sessions on negotiating non-monogamy are geared toward the couple who is opening up a relationship. That makes sense; while there are many single polys, it’s often a monogamous couple that is seeking advice on opening up a relationship for the first time. And these books, articles and sessions are inevitably written and developed from the point of view of the couple. But here’s a twist, the secret no one will tell you: if you want advice on how to successfully open up a relationship, ask the people who would be interested in joining it. (Or run away screaming from it.) That is, ask the people you intend to date how you as a couple can put your best foot forward.
So that’s the novel approach here: how to negotiate non-monogamy successfully, from the point of view of the HBB (Hot Boobiesexual Babe) that you hope to bring into it! If you want to know how to get a quality new lover that will get along with your boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife/spouse and present minimal drama, read on.
This is not a post about general poly skills you need to negotiate your first poly relationship. Instead, this is a list of specific do’s and don’ts that couples often overlook when negotiating their first non-monogamous relationship. First, let’s start with the positive: the do’s.
Newly non-monogamous do’s
OK! You’ve done the scary part and told your partner you want to be non-monogamous, and that partner didn’t leave the room screaming. Great first step! So… now what? What often follows is a series of long talks and negotiations that are all aimed at one thing: protecting the existing relationship. Now, protecting the existing relationship isn’t a bad thing per se, but if it’s your primary concern, you’ll find you won’t have a very positive first poly experience. Most couples begin with this mindset:
“How do we move forward without damaging our current relationship and without my getting hurt?”
This may seem to be a logical question, but in the dating world, fear of change is self-defeating. Of course your relationship will change; you’re adding another full human being to it! Not being open to changes, including those within yourself, is the #1 killer of first-time poly relationships. The first person you date outside your relationship is a human being with needs, quirks, desires, sarcasm, giggles and a whole wealth of emotions, just like you do. And adding another person to a family always changes the dynamic. Going into defensive/protection mode isn’t beneficial for you, your current partner, or your new partner.
Rather, try asking yourselves this:
- What value do we have to offer to someone else?
- How can we/I make a new partner feel loved, comfortable and included like I do?
- How can we enrich this person’s experience with us and with poly?
Think of it this way: if you as a couple discovered you were pregnant, would you sit down to have a lot of talks about how you are going to protect yourself from the damage the new child will do to your current relationship dynamic? Would you plan how you’re going to keep the new child from threatening you and your lifestyle? Would you make a list of rules to prevent the child from crying when you’re having a dinner party and kick the child out if she does? Would you insist on having veto power and kicking the kid out if he doesn’t stick to his appointed nap time?
Well, you could, but it would be a bit cruel. If you’re that worried about maintaining your relationship exactly as it is, you’re probably not ready for a kid. And ditto with polyamory: if you’re more worried about protecting what you have than welcoming change, you’re not ready for a non-monogamous relationship.
Rather, when a couple contemplates a child, they tend to think less of the limits the child will place on their lives and the stresses it will place on their relationship and more about what they have to offer the child and how much joy they will take in watching the child develop and change them as partners and parents. They look forward to discovering a new dynamic with the child: will she bring the family together at her ball games? Will he need a ride to his dance recitals? How much fun will it be to chaperone her first sleepover? Who will support him when he’s down and needs a shoulder to cry on?
OK, to some extent, it’s a ridiculous analogy to compare a fully-grown adult to a child. But in another way, it’s not. A new romantic relationship can change your relationship just as much as a new child will, and making rules to limit an adult’s love and interactions can be just as cruel as making a list to limit a child’s. In fact, it can be even more so, since the adult is fully self-aware and often capable of clearly stating and negotiating needs and wants, unlike a child.
So sure, be realistic about the relationship change, and make sure you have date nights and some alone time. But it’s far more beneficial to begin opening up your relationship by anticipating the joys of the new relationship dynamic than by fearing the change it will bring. And when you approach polyamory in this manner, you’ll enjoy the added benefit of treating your new partner(s) with respect and love rather than as a disposable test case for your own foibles.
Newly non-monogamous don’ts
This list is far easier to make, since time and time again, new poly couples break hearts in their quest to keep their own relationship primary and protected. Advice from those who have fled unhealthy couples, don’t:
- Allow veto power. Insist on communication rather than veto power. Veto power too often is a substitute for communication. It’s not wrong per se, but it’s quite often a cop-out and used to wield power instead of communication. Be mindful that you should only be expected to control your own actions, not those of your partner. Wielding veto power often shifts the balance of power in a relationship and causes far more tension and drama than those relationships that don’t offer this easy out. “Because I don’t like her” isn’t good enough; insist on thorough communication, and trust your partner to make choices that benefit everyone involved.
- Say there’s no hierarchy if there is. One of the things I love about Tristan Taormino’s book Opening Up is this relationship structure she named, Partnered Non-Monogamy. This is the structure in which has as its base a couple, and the couple is primary with no other primaries allowed. The parties may have additional lovers, together or separately, but there is no desire or option for any relationship that would equal or rival that of the original couple. This relationship model is often desirable for the couple but can be less so for the partners entering the relationship, so it’s a good idea to be clear if this is the desired relationship structure. If this is your structure of choice, be sure not to mislead new partners by saying “we don’t believe in hierarchies” or “you’re not secondary.” Those phrases may be more politically correct, but they aren’t true in partnered non-monogamy. Respect your new partner by being honest with him/her. And for goodness’ sake, don’t make this rule for one partner but then change it for another! That doesn’t sit well with kids (ask anyone who was the oldest!), and it’s equally unkind to do to adults.
- Ignore metamour communication. Roughly 50% of the emails I receive asking for advice are from a person in a couple asking how to deal with an issue that arose with a metamour. More often than not, what has happened is the relationship developed between partner A and the new lover, while partner B watched from afar and heard tidbits. Now, oh noes! There is an issue with the new lover and partner B, who have barely spoken before. What to do? Partner B doesn’t have to be best friends with the new lover, but it’s always a good idea to open up the lines of communication. Personally, I like to meet the new lover and then set up a coffee or lunch once a month just to chat. We rarely talk about relationship issues; the idea is to have a line of communication open so that if an issue arises, there is an already-established channel of communication and some trust in the trust bank. This makes dealing with relationship issues a breeze when they do arise. This is somewhat akin to a corporation setting up a blog and blogging on a weekly basis: communication, familiarity and credibility are established, so when a crisis arises (the CEO goes on a sexting binge with Newt Gingrich), there is a channel for communication already open to deal with the tough questions.
- Have the point of the vee moderate. In cases in which partner B has an issue with the new lover of partner A, and metamour relations have been ignored, it often happens that partner A (the point of the vee) ends up moderating between partner B and the new lover. Anyone who has ever had someone else speak on his behalf in an emotionally charged situation will understand why this is a terrible practice. It puts the full burden of communication among all parties on one person (the point of the vee) while absolving the others of any responsibility to communicate clearly with each other. It’s a stressful situation for the point of the vee and disempowering for the other partners. In interpersonal relationships, every involved party should have a voice. Her own voice. It is simply bad communication practice to disallow a partner from participating in discussions that concern her. Even in hierarchical situations such as partnered non-monogamy, every partner deserves the respect of having a voice in the communications. No two people should ever make a decision in the absence of the third, no matter the hierarchy.
A case study
Here’s common example of this dynamic that the couple might not even realize is disrespectful: partner A is dating a new lover, and the desire has come up for an overnight. Partner A says, “I’ll check with partner B,” and partners A and B have a long, intimate conversation about the merits and drawbacks of an overnight visit. The new lover is excluded from all communication and waits patiently outside the relationship, much like a child waiting to see if he gets a raise in his allowance or not. In this case, partners A and B undoubtedly didn’t intend disrespect, but that brand of communication is setting up a power dynamic in which the new lover is essentially powerless to speak or negotiate on his own behalf. And it’s a shame, because that particular situation is an excellent opportunity to forge a new and powerful dynamic by having all three involved parties meet, express their needs, listen to concerns and create a mutually-beneficial solution. In fact, it’s difficult communications such as this that forge intimacy and trust and make for stronger relationships all around. Don’t waste this valuable opportunity!
By Cunning Minx, on July 31st, 2012
Showtime’s new reality show Polyamory: Married and Dating. Is it as good as we want or as bad as we fear?
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Introduction
Under-18 warning and redirection to Scarleteen
1:30 News and host chat
- Wanna go to Burning Man? We are raffling off a ticket in July as a fundraiser to send Minx to CatalystCon! For every $10 donation here, you’ll get one raffle entry. On July 31 (tomorrow!) we’ll draw and announce the winner of the ticket to Burning Man 2012! Void where prohibited.
- LustyGuy will be giving a talk on Punching, Slapping and Kicking, Oh My! at Paradise, August 11.
5:00 Topic: Showtime’s new reality show on polyamory
Showtime has a new reality show called Polyamory: Married and Dating. It follows a triad and a quad and the conversations, conflicts and undercover action they experience. But is it any good?
What do we think? LustyGuy admires the craft and believes it fits the genre and audience expectations for Showtime After Dark perfectly. Minx (not a fan of reality TV in general) finds the characters accessible, far more so than anyone portrayed in Big Love or Sister Wives. While many of the characters annoy her personally and don’t impress her with their low level of emotional intelligence, the show is a far more accurate portrayal of polyamory than anything we’ve seen in the mainstream so far, and many of the characters do model good communication skills and emotionally intelligent behavior.
And special thanks to Scott Campbell for making it possible for us to view the episodes!
42:00 Wrapup
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By Cunning Minx, on July 25th, 2012
A proposed California law that would allow a child to have three legal parents. Also, movie review of Savages.
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Introduction
Under-18 warning and redirection to Scarleteen
1:30 News and host chat
Wanna go to Burning Man? We are raffling off a ticket in July as a fundraiser to send Minx to CatalystCon! For every $10 donation here, you’ll get one raffle entry. On July 30, we’ll draw and announce the winner of the ticket to Burning Man 2012! Void where prohibited.
3:00 Topic: My Three Dads
California considers a law that would allow more than two parents for a child.
10:30 Movie review: Savages
Joreth provides a review of this poly movie. Alan at Poly in the Media’s report on the aggregated reviews: Savages, the Movie and Its Star Triad
Feedback
Vicky writes in to let us know that “vagina” is the proper medical term, but “vulva” is often used to refer to the external female genitalia, including the labia.
24:45 Thanks
Thanks to Marshall and Ioana for the donations this week. Woo hoo!
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By Cunning Minx, on July 17th, 2012
What to do when your metamours get jealous of your wealth and well-hung dick
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Introduction
Under-18 warning and redirection to Scarleteen
1:00 News and host chat
- Minx and LustyGuy share the importance of owning your own poly shit.
- Minx tells about a recent instance when the usually supportive LustyGuy asked for support himself, and Minx fell short. Instead of drama ensuing, Minx took the next opportunity to look at her shit and apologize for being an insensitive jerk.
- Wanna go to Burning Man? We are raffling off a ticket in July as a fundraiser to send Minx to CatalystCon! For every $10 donation here, you’ll get one raffle entry. On July 30, we’ll draw and announce the winner of the ticket to Burning Man 2012! Void where prohibited.
10:00 Topic: Help! I’m rich with a big penis!
Cyotee calls in to ask for help: he’s rich with a big dick. What to do? Well, specifically, what to do when his metamours get jealous of his marathon lovemaking sessions and lavish trips with their sweeties? Minx and LustyGuy give advice:
- Keep in mind that anyone can have great vacation sex. The new, outside lover is often in a perpetual state of NRE or “vacation sex.”
- Don’t play the comparison game between you and your metamour, and don’t let your partners do it, either. Instead, find the joy in the moment and in each partner.
- Show that you support the existing relationship. If you don’t know, ask your metamour how to keep their relationship happy and healthy.
- Treat the relationship like a birthday party for an 8-year-old: bring a present for the birthday girl’s younger brother. Instead of buying your lover a $500 diamond necklace, buy a $250 necklace and a really nice bottle of scotch for your metamour. Let some of your love and attention for your lover spill over onto the metamour as well.
- Or when you take your lover on a vacation, invite the metamour along. Or give him tickets to an event he’ll enjoy.
25:30 Happy Poly Moment
Charles and Sarah share the story of being married for 16 years with 4 kids and opening their marriage. They starting dating a couple, uncovered emotional baggage and took a break to deal with their own baggage and insecurities.
A few comments: Remember that your first relationship is with yourself. Also, while it’s nice to want to get back together with the couple you started dating, keep in mind that personal growth and appropriate relationships should be the goal, not one relationship in particular.
32:10 Feedback
Tony is a new listener who wrote in about a 90s song that is poly-ish: Three Is Family.
35:45 Thanks
Thanks to Eynstein, Wayne and Chris for the donations this week. Woo hoo!
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By Cunning Minx, on July 5th, 2012
How tantric practitioners negotiated non-monogamy
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Introduction
Under-18 warning and redirection to Scarleteen
1:00 News and host chat
- Upcoming gigs at Paradise, Polycamp NW and CatalystCon
- Wanna go to Burning Man? We are raffling off a ticket in July as a fundraiser to send Minx to CatalystCon! For every $10 donation at http://www.polyweekly.com, you’ll get one raffle entry. On July 30, we’ll draw and announce the winner of the ticket to Burning Man 2012!
3:30 Topic: Negotiating poly with tantra
South African correspondent Erich Viege recorded an interview with Shima and Andrew about teaching tantra while trying to negotiate non-monogamy.
15:00 Happy Poly Moment
Cindy shares a happy poly moment of friendships with metamours and poly going well after communication.
16:30 Thanks
Thanks to Adam for the $69 donation. Woo hoo!
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By Cunning Minx, on June 28th, 2012
Vaginas in the news, from silenced lawmakers to expensive pussy clicks
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Introduction
Under-18 warning and redirection to Scarleteen
1:00 News and host chat
6:15 Topic: Vaginas in the news
Detroit lawmaker barred from speaking after using the word “vagina” on the house floor
And then treats Detroit to free performance of the Vagina Monologues with Eve Ensler
Vagina costs more than penis on Etsy
23:15 Happy Poly Moment
Scott shares his tale of being monogamous and loyal, falling in love and then being open and honest with his wife about it.
28:45 Feedback
Manda comments on episode 320 I Hate My Metamour about stepping up and sounding out if you see signs of emotional abuse on your partner by your metamour
34:40 Thanks
Thanks to Ben, Sarah and Joseph for the donations! And welcome Terry and Sarah to the PW Playmates!
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By Cunning Minx, on June 27th, 2012
 Go to Burning Man on us!
Do you like listening to dubstep 24 hours a day? Do you like rolling around in Playa dust? Do you like setting things on fire around naked people? Do you know to click stuff on the internet? Well, you’re in luck! One of our totally awesome listeners works for the org and has donated a ticket for Burning Man 2012 to be raffled off this month as a fundraiser for Poly Weekly!
How to enter
Entering is easy! To enter the raffle, click on the tip jar and make a donation of at least $10. Every $10 donation gets you one entry into the raffle. So $20 gets two entries, $30 gets three, and so on. Every donation of at least $10 between now and July 29th will be automatically entered, so this is a GREAT time to support the show!
Want to enter but can’t do a donation? No worries: just send an email to cunningminx@gmail.com with the subject line Enter Me, and you’ll be entered into the raffle for free! (One free entry per person.)
On July 30th we’ll be announcing one lucky winner of the ticket to Burning Man 2012. Woo hoo and Good luck!
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