Poly Weekly #193: How to Have a Happy Relationship

This week Poly Weekly #193: How to Have a Happy Relationship.

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0:00 Introduction and host chat
Intro, under-18 warning and re-direction to www.scarleteen.com; friend me on Twitter and answer questions about what you want on the show, call 206-202-POLY with comments or discuss your own topics at the forums at http://forum.polyweekly.com.

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Topic: How to Have a Happy Relationship
Tacit, host of the Polyamory FAQ site, gives his observations on what it takes to have a happy relationship, mono or poly

2:03 Minx Interviews Tacit
Minx and tacit talk about the weather. Minx starts talking about Tacit’s article and how it has impacted people. They go through the list of points from the article.

  • You can’t get what you don’t ask for
  • If all your relationships in the same bad way, maybe it is you
  • If sex is becoming boring after a while, maybe you are letting it
  • Don’t expect to change your partner
  • A partner who is nice to you but not the waitress is not a nice person
  • (I googled monkeysphere too! -fs)

  • it’s possible to love somebody but have them not be a good partner for you
  • What you get out depends on what you put in
  • a person has cheated on somebody with you cannot be trusted to not cheat on you
  • Be wary of a person who trashes their exes

Stay tuned next week for more!

Wrap-up
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Our intro and outro music is courtesy of Pacemaker Jane, “Good Suspicions”

How to Have a Happy Relationship

Courtesy of Tacit:

It seems to me that a lot of basic ideas behind happy, healthy relationships are often considered “advanced,” and seem to take rather a lot more time to learn than perhaps they really ought to.

At least, they sometimes did for your humble scribe. Ahem.

So, in the interests of spreading the wealth (because experience is the best teacher, but sometimes the tuition is very high), I present Relationship Ideas That Should Be Obvious But Aren’t.

You can’t expect to have what you want if you don’t ask for what you want.
This is arguably one of the most basic rules for all of life, yet it’s surprising how often we forget. There’s almost no greater recipe for emotional turmoil then wanting something or harboring some expectation, not telling anyone about it, and then not getting it.

Next time you get really, really upset about some desire or expectation not being met, stop and ask yourself: “Did I actually let the people around me know about it?” (Here’s a tip: Dropping hints about what you want doesn’t count. Neither does wishing really hard. Nor waiting for the folks around you to become telepathic.)

If all of your relationships go pear-shaped in the same exact way and end badly in the same exact way, then maybe it’s because of something you’re doing.
Seriously. The one common element in all your relationship failures is you. Someone cheat on you? Well, that sucks, but it happens. Every single person you ever date in your life cheat on you? You’re attracted to folks who cheat.

If all of your relationships end the same way, maybe it’s time to step back and take a good, hard look at the kinds of folks you’re attracted to.

If you find that sex always becomes boring after a while in all your relationships, maybe it’s because you’re choosing to let it.
There’s a lot of fun you can have in (and out) of the bedroom. The total range of the human sexual experience is breathtaking–so much so that if you lived to be a thousand years old and did something different in bed every night for that entire thousand years, you’d still never have time to do it all. Seriously.

If you find that your sex life keeps getting stuck in a rut, maybe it’s time to explore something new. (A sure way to make yourself crazy and have a boring sex life is to keep worrying about whether trying something new would be “too weird.” The expression “That’s too weird” has done more to advance the cause of boring sex than all the world’s religions combined.)

Going into a relationship with the expectation that you can get your partner to change is quite likely to end in tears.
Now, don’t get me wrong–people can and do change. In fact, change is the one constant in life. I’m not the person I was five years ago, and if you’re doing this properly, you aren’t either.

But expecting that a person will change in the ways that you want him to, because you want him to, is setting yourself up for suck and fail. Fixer-upper relationships usually don’t work. And if you go into things thinking “Oh, I can fix him!” you just might find your ship of enthusiasm foundering on the shoals of the fact that maybe he likes being the way he is.

A relationship in which you say “This relationship is absolutely wonderful except for…” is not absolutely wonderful. Especially when the part that comes after the “except for…” is something so horrifying it’d make most folks run for the hills.
This relationship is wonderful except for the fact that we’re completely incompatible in bed. This relationship is wonderful except for the fact that she keeps forgetting to take her meds. This relationship is wonderful except for the fact that he can’t talk honestly about his feelings. Look out!

For maximum effect, try combining “this relationship is wonderful except for…” with “…but I know I can change him” and double your suck!

A partner who is kind to you but not kind to the waitress isn’t a kind person.
Seriously. The fact that he’s kind to you might just mean that he wants something from you. (Or that you’re not his property…yet. Marry that person who’s nice to you but not nice to the waitress and you might just find that once the ring is on your finger, he may start treating you like the waitress. Or worse.)

The way a person treats the folks around him reveals a lot about his true self. Pay attention.

It is possible to deeply, profoundly, genuinely, truly love someone, and yet that person might still not be a good partner for you.
It takes more than love to make a relationship work. A person you love, but who is incompatible with you, or who lacks good relationship skills, or who can’t communicate with you, is not going to make for a functional, healthy relationship. Love and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee. Or, to put it more scientifically, love is necessary but not sufficient, no matter how many Disney movies and romantic comedies say otherwise.

Though really, if you’re taking your cues on relationship from Disney movies and romantic comedies, there’s probably little that I or anyone else can do.

Find a way to build a friendship with that person that honors and respects that love without trying to turn it into something unsustainable and you’ll do okay. And as a corollary:

Being in love with someone doesn’t mean you HAVE to be in a relationship with that person.
Seriously. You have a choice. You can love someone, and acknowledge that love, and still choose not to be romantically involved with that person.

That’s one of the cool things about being a human being You get to choose.

You can’t have intimacy without sharing. If you spend your time hiding things from your partner, or worrying about whether or not you can share something with your partner, you’re not going to have an intimate relationship.
Everything you conceal from your partner undermines the foundation of intimacy upon which relationships are built.

No, that doesn’t mean telling your partner every time you take a dump (and why is it that folks who don’t cotton to sharing and openness always reach for that example?). But it does mean sharing everything that’s important, significant, or meaningful. Even if it’s uncomfortable.

Especially if it’s uncomfortable, because the fact that it’s uncomfortable probably means there’s something important lurking in there. Communication ain’t for sissies.

What you get out depends on what you put in. Approach every new partner with fear and suspicion, and you’ll have fearful, suspicious partners.
Te best way to have a friend is to be a friend. The best way to have people around you who have compassion and integrity is to be a person with compassion and integrity. The best way to fill your life with suck and fail is to fill other people’s lives with suck and fail.

You know that saying “opposites attract”? It’s rubbish. Honest people look for, and attract, other honest people.

A person who has cheated on someone else to be with you cannot be trusted not to cheat on you to be with someone else.

No, you’re not different. You’re not a rare and unique flower, so totally set apart from that shrill, obnoxious harpy that he’s with right now. You know how he tells you that you’re so much better than that monster he’s hooked up with? I bet he says the same thing about you to the other person he’s shagging. You know, the one that neither you nor his other partner knows about.

Be wary of a person who trashes all their exes in front of you, for someday you’ll likely be on that list yourself.
You know that person with the long list of former partners, all of whom were shrill, obnoxious harpies? Does something seem odd about that list to you?

Best case scenario, it means he keeps getting involved with the same sorts of people again and again, and doesn’t learn anything from any of those experiences. What do you reckon that says about you?

Worst case scenario, it’s a clear sign of someone who doesn’t take responsibility for his own part in all those past train wrecks. Which means he ain’t learning from any of them. Which means…you’re the next train wreck. What do you suppose he’ll say about you to the train wreck that follows after you?

Tell the truth from the start, and you won’t have to worry about any nasty revelations down the road.
Especially about things you worry might scare her off. Seriously, if the truth about you makes you incompatible as a romantic partner, you want to scare her off. You’re bisexual but your new love interest hates gays? You fancy country music and your partner would rather die than listen to it? Hiding those things doesn’t help your cause; it merely makes the blowup that much more dramatic when the truth comes out.

Which it will, eventually.

Be honest, be true to who you are, and you won’t have to worry about what happens if you slip up. On the other hand, make yourself seem like something you’re not, even if it’s to make yourself seem more attractive to the other person (hell, especially if it’s to make yourself seem more attractive to the other person!) is going to end badly, sooner or later. I promise.

Poly Weekly #156 Practical Polyamory with Tacit

0:00 Introduction and host chat
Intro, under-18 warning and re-direction to www.scarleteen.com; friend me on Twitter and answer questions about what you want on the show, call 206-202-POLY with comments or discuss your own topics at the new FORUMS at http://forum.polyweekly.com.

1:34 Introduction of our guest!
Tacit Franklin Veaux from http://www.xeromag.com/fvpoly.html is working on a book proposal for a practical guide on dealing with poly. Minx sits down with him in Atlanta to talk about his new project.

2:00 Interviewing Tacit
Minx and Tacit are outside enjoying the fresh air of Atlanta. It took Tacit about 15 minutes to get the request for a proposal!

3:14 Tacit puts the request out for people to contact him with their great stories. He would love to hear from people who are really succesful or who have made mistakes and worked through them. You can mail him at tacitr@aol.com (Yeah, I know. I was thinking the same thing. AOL? Really? – FS)

4:20 Some interesting topics in Tacit’s book we might not have seen in other books. He plans on having a practical how-to guide outside of the other subcultures (e.g. paganism, bdsm). Also, poly/mono relationships and poly relationships that aren’t based on a core “couple.”

8:20 (Man, is it loud out there! :) – FS)

8:45 What happens if our partner compares us to the other people? How do we not let that bother us?

10:15 Great story about Minx’s sex life. Pretty hot!

12:37 NRE shouldn’t totally make your brains dribble out your ears!

14:00 How does trust and faith play into this? To Tacit, faith implies a lack of evidence.

16:20 Minx attempts to drag teasers out of Tacit. He mentions a chapter on common Poly mistakes

17:00 Tacit outed himself to his hairdresser who thought poly was ok because “all men cheat anyway!” He delicately let the conversation drop.

18:25 Media liked to present poly like what the hairdresser thought. Fortunately, that is changing.

19:30 Minx puts a call out to the Religious Right to persecute her! and um, something about having sex with goats….

20:08 It would appear Tacit gets around… Thanks for the interview Tacit! You can hear Tacit again on episode #116.

22:38 Another thanks to Tacit. A very tired Minx is getting ready for Shibaricon where she won’t be too “tied up” (Get it! Tied up! HAHA! erm, anyway – FS) to do some interviews while there.

SPECIAL THANKS to Raymond for putting together this week’s show notes! (That’s me btw – FS)

Questions? Comments? Feedback? Email cunningminx@gmail.com or call the listener comment line at 206-202-POLY. And hey, why not attach an audio comment to that email? :-) Check out PolyWeekly at polyweekly.libsyn.com. Thanks for listening!

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Our intro and outro music is courtesy of Pacemaker Jane, “Good Suspicions”

Polyamory in Wired

Regina Lynn, sex blogger extraordinaire, has written a fantastic piece on polyamory for Wired in the wake of Tilda Swinton’s latest revelations. I’m interviewed, in the excellent company of Ken Haslam, Anita Wagner and of course, our best poly spokesperson, Franklin Veaux. Check it out!

Love this quote of Franklin’s:

Geeks have not traditionally been viewed as relationship experts, yet as a subculture, we are open to alternative ways of life. We immerse ourselves in science fiction and fantasy, imagining other cultures and experiencing relationships not necessarily bound by puritanical traditions.

“I remember thinking that the fairy tale doesn’t make any sense, because if the princess lives in a castle, why should she have to choose one of the two princes? Castles are big and there’s room for all three of them,” says Veaux, who was raised in a Nebraska town of 275 people, with not a poly role model in sight.

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