A proposed California law that would allow a child to have three legal parents. Also, movie review of Savages.
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Wanna go to Burning Man? We are raffling off a ticket in July as a fundraiser to send Minx to CatalystCon! For every $10 donation here, you’ll get one raffle entry. On July 30, we’ll draw and announce the winner of the ticket to Burning Man 2012! Void where prohibited.
Vicky writes in to let us know that “vagina” is the proper medical term, but “vulva” is often used to refer to the external female genitalia, including the labia.
24:45 Thanks
Thanks to Marshall and Ioana for the donations this week. Woo hoo!
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How does one wrangle being polyamorous and parenting at the same time? Sierra Black tells us!
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How do you find the time to be poly with a 4-year-old, a 7-year-old and an 18-year-old? Answer: this isn’t a one-way street; everyone pitches in so others can have date time.
What do you tell the kids? Answer: Be open about who everyone is with age-appropriate information.
What do you do when relationships end? Answer: deal with them just as you would with step-parents and keep them in the kids’ lives whenever possible.
What advice do you have about coming out to older kids? Answer: we’re lucky because everyone in the community is open and poly and the kids have a support network.
How are you out to the other adults in your kids’ life? School administrators, grandparents, doctors? Answer: anything you radiate normal, healthy vibes about, people will take in stride. Be comfortable, confident and open, and it’s easy to be out.
Conclusion: kids are very What’s In It for Me? They want to know that they are loved and that mommy, daddy and everyone else loves and cares about them, too.
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PW Playmate asks: how to you run a growing poly meetup without conflict and drama in the community?
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Also, I’ll be speaking on Content Strategy for the Online Activist at CatalystCon
7:00 Interview: Avoiding meetup drama with Allena Gabosch
A PW Playmate (woo hoo!) writes in to ask:
I’ve been pretty involved in my local poly community for a couple of years. It’s about doubled in size since we started doing more outreach, and with that has come much more drama and conflict within the community. We’re not quite sure how to handle it without alienating people.
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As a health care practitioner, how do you identify polyamorous and kinky clients?
This week, I had the pleasure of participating in an event at the Bastyr Center for Natural Health. (Thanks to Allena Gabosch for recommending me for the event when she was booked!) The event was called the “human library,” and about a dozen of us activists acted as “books” to the participants, who were all in the program. Since health care professional deal with people of all orientations, genders and abilities, we were there to act as open books into our respective communities and to lend advice to future naturopathic practitioners.
I wasn’t sure what to expect going in, and I had no idea of the questions I might be asked. Most of the students I met with were unsure what to ask and wanted a basic primer on polyamory and kink. “What do I need to know about polyamory/kink?” was the most common question. For this, I recommended two books, a paper and a local resource:
Opening Up by Tristan Taormino for an overview of non-monogamy relationship structures
The Center for Sex-Positive Culture, a local community center hosting events for the GLBT community, the poly community and the BDSM community
However, some did have specific concerns, including:
When I take a history, what would I ask to discover if a person is polyamorous?
When I take a history, what would I ask to discover if a person is kinky?
What does “polyamorous” actually mean, and what do I need to know about these people?
Creating a safe space
The first question was fairly easy to answer. Just as we poly folks create a safe space for emotional and relationship discussions, health care practitioners should do everything possible to set their patients at ease. The best way to do this is not to make assumptions: don’t assume the person is straight, of one particular gender, monogamous or vanilla. Even if it’s too personal to ask, it’s best not to be heteronormative. Or relationship-normative.
Also, do your best to create a safe, judgment-free zone to encourage your patients to be comfortable enough to reveal their orientations. My favorite personal experience with this was a fantastic gynecologist who, when I was in the stirrups, asked, “Do you sleep with men, women, or both?” I’d never heard “or both” before, and I was delighted she’d asked! I answered, “both,” to which she replied with a cheery, “Good for you!” And just like that, she established trust. I knew I could tell her about my partners, probably even my kinky proclivities, and she wouldn’t flinch, blink or judge.
Compare this to my previous gynecologist, who, when I told her I was now in a polyamorous relationship, left an awkward pause, sat back with considerable discomfort and mumbled, “it’s best if you try to limit the number of partners.” Ugh! At the time, I had TWO long-term, committed partners. She just assumed that “polyamorous” meant I’d installed a revolving door to my bedroom. I knew I couldn’t trust her to be considerate and informed, so I switched to someone I could.
So how does a practitioner establish a safe space to discuss orientations and lifestyles? “Male, female or both?” is a good start. A good follow-up question is, “What is your relationship structure?” Monogamous folks will probably reply “single,” “married” or the like, but this question opens up the opportunity for non-monogamous folks to share both their orientation and partner information if they are comfortable doing so.
What about kink?
Asking about BDSM proclivities and activities is far, far more difficult, and I’ve personally never found a good, non-offensive lead-in to asking if someone is kinky unless he or she had already dropped a significant hint. Most kinksters I know frankly will not share this information with a health care practitioner because they believe it to be private and irrelevant. One could argue against the “irrelevant” factor, depending upon the type of visit and health care practitioner, but it is definitely private and personal information. There is no good way to broach this topic in a casual way. The best you can do is to create a safe space in which your patient will be willing to share relevant details with you and ask you health-related questions as needed.
How do we tell the difference between kink and abuse?
There is of course a big difference between kink and abuse: consent. And health care practitioners are mandatory reporters, so they must by law report abuse. This is why many kinksters don’t come out to their doctors: they could mistakenly be reported as abuse victims and inadvertently make their partner suspect of being an abuser. Health care practitioners are trained to question bruises with a conversational, “Hey, how did that come about?” or “Wow, big bruise. What happened there?”
Here, I’ll give a little advice to the kinksters: be honest. When you try to hide the information, it only makes you look more like an abuse victim! A few suggestions:
[big smile] Oh, that? That was FUN!
[big smile + eyebrow raise] Do you really want to know?
[big smile + happy sigh] That was the cause of my last orgasm.
Or, if you must lie: [big smile] Carpet burn.
For the practitioners, do you notice the common theme? While most of the time kinksters will simply lie to avoid sharing private details, you can often discern them from abuse victims by a sincere but fleeting smile when you ask about bruises or marks. It’s similar to the reaction when you ask someone about a hickey: it’s not a litmus test by any means, but it might give a clue that the situation was consensual.
Back to safe
After all that, the creation of a safe space is really what’s most important for health care practitioners if they really want all the information. Doctors know that patients lie all the time: about whether they took their medication or not, about how many drinks they have, about how often they exercise. The best health care folks can do is to let their patients know that they won’t be judged and that the conversation will be easy to have. And the best the patients can do is to be honest about their lifestyle choices and be informed enough to ask your doctor or therapist all your questions, even if some of them are a little embarrassing.
Listener M writes in with a dilemma: what do you do when you love your girlfriend but hate your metamour?
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Welcome to our cohost, LustyGuy. Can you tell which Scotch he is sipping?
1:50 Topic: I hate my metamour!
M writes in to say that he finds his girlfriend’s new partner so repulsive that he hates the guy, which is not helped by the fact that the girlfriend revealed that the partner is trapped in a sexless marriage and believes that M and girlfriend are moving too quickly.
A drama queen? Much of the negative information on the partner (“Scary Clown”) came to M secondhand from the girlfriend. Always question why your girlfriend chooses to reveal unflattering information about a metamour secondhand. Is there a need for drama on her part? Relationship management skills are needed here.
Open lines of communication there is no line of communication open between Scary Clown and M. Of course he feels uncomfortable.
Responsibilities of the point The person at the point of the vee (here, the girlfriend) has additional responsibilities in terms of nurturing healthy relationships and conveying only the most relevant and supportive information to partners. However, this person should NEVER agree to act as mediator between the other two parties.
Setting boundaries the people at the edges of the vee need to set boundaries and be careful to express what they need rather than a simple “I don’t like so-and-so.” For that matter, the person at the point of the vee also needs to set boundaries such as “No saying that M and I aren’t good as a couple. That’s not supportive, and I won’t tolerate it.”
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Thoughts on marriage as a conscious relationship and lifestyle choice rather than the default or the result of peer pressure
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Alyssa writes in to say “Sometimes the radical, panties-in-a-bunch, queers need to chill the fuck out, and what better way to chill out than to realize that something you revolve your life around isn’t a big deal to EVERYONE!”
Vir writes in to say that I’ve queered my relationship and my sex life (through kink/fetishes)
24:10 Thanks
Thanks to Meg for the donation this week!
Wrapup
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Franklin Veaux and Minx discuss listener feedback, advice and anecdotes around creating rules and boundaries to apply to polyamorous relatiomships
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Franklin Veaux and Minx respond to listener feedback about the rules episode.
Sean wrote in with the rules his partner imposed on him after an incident
J wrote in to clarify the difference between rules that promote discussion versus rules that are designed to bind behavior
Isaac asked about D/s rules
Jonathan asked for rules when he began dating and got these: “We will trust you if you are trustworthy. We will believe you if you are honest. We will listen if you speak openly. We will communicate if you listen. You’ll have to write any other rules you need yourself because when all is said and done you are the only one that is going to limit your actions. Oh by the way we’ll have a surprise ready here; bring your date home if you want.”
Vir shared a quote on boundaries
36:00 Wrapup
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The power of introverts; female orgasms from exercise at the gym
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And speaking at MomentumCon in D.C. March 29-April 1
10:00 Topic: The Power of Introverts
Susan Cain’s TED talk on the power of introverts and how to maximize individual creative thinking. The loudest person isn’t always the wisest, but work environments cater to extroverts.
20:45 Feedback: Episode 309 on the myth of sex addiction
Stabbity thanks Ley for making the connection with nymphomania about pathologizing certain behavior
Vir comments on the pathologization of sex addiction promoting both a double standard and keeping men from taking responsibility for their sexual bad choices
24:55 Thanks
To BobBe for the kinky $69 donation. And welcome Maura to the Playmates!
25:30 Wrapup
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Franklin and Minx tackle the rule dilemma: do rules work in poly relationships?
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And speaking at MomentumCon in D.C. March 29-April 1
7:00 Topic: Rules? We don’t need no stinkin’ rules!
Guest cohost Franklin Veaux has written extensively on why rules don’t work in poly relationships. And I agree; rules tend to be a substitute for actual communication and a fairly powerless shield against insecurity. Why most poly rules don’t work and advice on what to do instead of creating hard and fast rules.
38:10 Thanks
To Charlie for the $69 donation. We love that amount!
Wrap up
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Does one have to self-identify as poly in advance of a situation in order for polyamory to work?
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Is poly of zero benefit to a monogamous-identified partner of someone who would like to be poly?
Does “Poly by Situation” ever work?
11:20 What is required for a Poly by Situation effort to work out: every partner is fully committed, everyone voices their fears and doubts at every turn, no veto power
13:15 Feedback
Poly as open book not blaring radio
14:30 Charlie in Hong Kong calls in with comments about the show, frubble and gifts
26:30 Wrap up
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